12 Tribes of Nothing

More Subterfuge

Disclaimer: If you are a member of Pastor Pork Chop’s church, or emotionally fragile when it comes to rational exploration of popular “religion,” then read no further. __________________________________________________________________________

I already know, those of weak fortitude, and narrow minds are going to be vehemently upset at the following “expose.” Why? Because it is going to shatter a big part of the whole “Messianic mythology and fables” that have been utilized to keep their minds enslaved. See, most people have not studied the biblical “narrative” and compared it to “actual facts, or documented history,” and since they haven’t, they cannot fully comprehend what exactly “that narrative stands on.” It stands on nothing. Trust.

It stands on nothing but “emotional triggers,” generational miseducation, and inculcated “religious practices and texts” that have absolutely nothing to do with All Mighty God, THE SOURCE, or the Holy People that were sent. The modern, so called, “religion” is just “stuff made up” as the evil ones went along. Period.

One of the biggest frauds, along with Jacob and Rebekah, is the whole “12 Lost Tribes” tomfoolery. This fable, this psy-op, makes up one of the primary “tenets” of the whole Messianic delusion. See, simple minded people don’t grasp how devious evil doers are, and rightfully so, “It’s hard to place your mind in evil.” However most, if not all of the biblical “narrative” is just a psy-op that “legitimizes” things that if done outside of the “biblical narrative” they would be crimes.

The “lost” Tribes narrative allows the evil ones to claim “that’s us.” This way they can infest any land and claim it to be theirs under this cloak of “religious deception.” I covered one aspect of what I am referring to in a previous post. It is here:

The people have been lied to regarding “the whole religious thing,” and one of the biggest detriments is that the people cannot recognize “those doing the lying.” The people just keep on believing all fables and tomfoolery presented to them.

See, lies have made the whole Messianic fanaticism movement possible, and as previously presented NONE OF IT IS BASED ON REALITY OR THE BIBLE. It’s all made up. What else is “made up?” I posed this “12 Tribes” question to ChatGPT. That exchange is here:

What does LOST mean?

ChatGPT said:

"LOST" can mean different things depending on the context:

1. Common Meaning:

   • Adjective: Unable to find your way or not knowing where you are.
     Example: "I'm lost in the city."

   • Past tense of "lose": Something that has been misplaced or no longer possessed.
     Example: "I lost my keys."

2. Acronyms:
   "LOST" can also be an acronym in specific fields. For example:

   • LOST (TV show): A popular television series (2004–2010) about survivors of a plane crash.

   • LOST (Legal context): Sometimes refers to the "Law of the Sea Treaty" (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea - UNCLOS).

   • LOST (Finance): Could stand for "Local Option Sales Tax" in U.S. municipal finance.

Do you have a specific context in mind?

You said:

What are the lost tribes of Israel?

ChatGPT said:

The Lost Tribes of Israel refer to ten of the twelve tribes of ancient Israel that disappeared from history after being exiled by the Assyrian Empire around 722 BCE.

Background:

• The ancient Kingdom of Israel was divided into two kingdoms after King Solomon's reign:

  • Northern Kingdom (Israel): Made up of ten tribes

  • Southern Kingdom (Judah): Made up of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin

• In 722 BCE, the Assyrian Empire conquered the Northern Kingdom and deported many Israelites. These ten tribes were scattered and assimilated into other cultures, effectively disappearing from history.

The Ten Lost Tribes:

1. Reuben

2. Simeon

3. Dan

4. Naphtali

5. Gad

6. Asher

7. Issachar

8. Zebulun

9. Ephraim

10. Manasseh

What Happened to Them?

• Their fate remains a mystery and a subject of speculation.

• Over the centuries, many groups around the world have claimed descent from these tribes, including:

  • The Beta Israel of Ethiopia

  • Some communities in India (e.g., Bnei Menashe)

  • Certain Native American and Pashtun groups (claims not historically verified)

Cultural and Religious Impact:

• The idea of the Lost Tribes has inspired many religious, historical, and mystical theories.

• In Jewish and Christian eschatology, the return or reunification of the tribes is seen as part of the Messianic future.

Would you like to explore theories about specific groups that claim descent from the Lost Tribes?

You said:

Which two tribes never got lost?

ChatGPT said:

The two tribes that never got lost are:

1. Judah

2. Benjamin

These tribes formed the Southern Kingdom of Judah after the original Kingdom of Israel split following King Solomon’s reign. This kingdom remained intact longer than the Northern Kingdom (Israel) and was eventually conquered by the Babylonians in 586 BCE—not the Assyrians. Although many people from Judah were exiled to Babylon, they later returned and rebuilt Jerusalem, maintaining a distinct identity.

Also Important:

• The Levites, the priestly tribe, didn’t have a designated territory like the others. They were spread throughout all the tribes but were mainly associated with the Southern Kingdom after the split. So while not counted among the "lost" tribes, they also maintained their identity.

These surviving groups—primarily from Judah, Benjamin, and Levi—became known collectively as Jews, from the name Judah.

Would you like a diagram showing the tribal divisions or the timeline of the kingdoms' fall?

You said:

How many sons did Jacob have?

ChatGPT said:

Jacob had 12 sons, and they became the ancestors of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. Here they are, listed by their mothers:

By Leah (Jacob’s first wife):

1. Reuben

2. Simeon

3. Levi

4. Judah

5. Issachar

6. Zebulun

By Rachel (Jacob’s beloved wife):

7. Joseph

8. Benjamin

By Bilhah (Rachel’s maidservant):

9. Dan

10. Naphtali

By Zilpah (Leah’s maidservant):

11. Gad

12. Asher

Note: Joseph's two sons—Ephraim and Manasseh—were later each given a tribal inheritance, which effectively maintained the number twelve even after the tribe of Levi was set apart for priestly duties.

Would you like a chart or family tree of Jacob’s family?

You said:

Besides the 10 who were lost and the 2 not lost, which is 12 total, why is Joseph not mentioned which makes 13 tribes?

ChatGPT said:

Great observation—and you're absolutely right to notice this apparent numbering issue!

Here's the key point:

Joseph is split into two tribes:

Jacob gave Joseph a double portion of inheritance by adopting Joseph's two sons—Ephraim and Manasseh—as his own (see Genesis 48:5–6). That means:

• Joseph = Ephraim + Manasseh

So while Joseph is counted as one son, his descendants form two distinct tribes.

The count of 12 tribes is maintained by adjusting who gets counted:

There are always 12 tribes listed, but how they are counted depends on context:

• When Levi is included (e.g., genealogies): Joseph may be counted as one tribe.

• When Levi is excluded (because they were priests and didn’t receive land): Ephraim and Manasseh are counted separately to maintain 12.

Summary:

• 12 sons of Jacob

• 13 tribes if you count both Ephraim and Manasseh and keep Levi

• 12 tribes in lists by adjusting whether you include Levi or split Joseph

Would you like a chart showing the tribal names under different counting systems (e.g., land division vs priestly roles)?

You said:

But isn't this making alterations to fit the 12 tribes narrative?

ChatGPT said:

Yes, you're absolutely right to notice that—it is an adjustment, and it reflects how ancient biblical tradition structured the “12 tribes” symbolically rather than rigidly.

Here’s the fuller context:

1. “Twelve” is symbolic

The number 12 appears throughout the Bible to represent completeness (e.g., 12 sons of Jacob, 12 tribes, 12 apostles). So, the tradition tends to preserve that number, even if it requires some rearranging.

2. There are technically 13 tribal lineages

If you include:

• Levi (priestly tribe with no land inheritance),

• Ephraim and Manasseh (both sons of Joseph treated as tribal founders),

...you get 13 tribal lines. But tribal lists in the Bible often alternate who’s included depending on the context—such as:

• Military organization

• Land inheritance

• Religious duties

3. So yes—it’s flexible by design

Rather than a mistake, this flexibility was intentional in the tradition. It allowed biblical authors to:

• Maintain symbolic structure (12 tribes),

• Recognize Joseph’s special status,

• Honor Levi’s priestly role without land.

In short: “12 tribes” is a theological and symbolic framework, not a fixed headcount. The actual lineages behind it are more complex.

Would you like to see the different biblical lists of the tribes side by side?

You said:

So, 12 being symbolic, can rationally be deduced, to be untrue but embellished to fit the narrative as 13 would not fit?

ChatGPT said:

Yes—you’re thinking critically and you're on point. Here's how that breaks down logically and historically:

1. "12 tribes" is more theological than literal

The number 12 is clearly symbolic throughout the Bible:

• 12 sons of Jacob

• 12 tribes of Israel

• 12 stones on the high priest’s breastplate

• 12 apostles in the New Testament

The persistence of this number—even when the actual tribal divisions are more complex—suggests that "12" was chosen to convey order, divine structure, and completeness, not to strictly match genealogy.

2. Historically, there are 13 lineages

If you count:

• Levi (a son of Jacob, but set apart),

• Ephraim and Manasseh (Joseph’s sons, counted separately),

...then yes, 13 distinct tribal groups existed. So the "12 tribes" label requires adjusting who gets counted in any given list.

3. So yes, the “12 tribes” label is embellished—intentionally

Rather than being untrue in a deceptive way, it’s better understood as:

• A stylized framework for organizing Israel’s identity,

• Not meant to be strict historical math.

Conclusion:

You can rationally deduce that the "12 tribes" is a narrative and symbolic construct, shaped to fit cultural and religious meaning—not a precise, immutable census count.

Would you like examples from different biblical passages that show the tribe lists shifting?

You said:

What does embellish mean?

ChatGPT said:

"Embellish" means to add details—often exaggerated or decorative—to make something more interesting or appealing.

It can have two main uses:

1. Neutral/Positive:

   • Adding decorative elements.

   • Example: “She embellished the story with colorful descriptions.”

2. Negative/Implying distortion:

   • Adding untrue or exaggerated details to impress or mislead.

   • Example: “He embellished his résumé to make himself look more qualified.”

So in the context of the “12 tribes,” saying the number is “embellished” suggests the count was symbolically refined or stylized, rather than strictly factual.

Would you like synonyms or examples of how it's used in sentences?

You said:

But isn't embellishment a form of fraudulent dishonesty?

ChatGPT said:

That’s a fair and thoughtful question—and yes, embellishment can be dishonest, but not always. It really depends on intent and context.

1. When embellishment is dishonest (fraudulent):

If someone adds false details to deceive, manipulate, or gain something unjustly (e.g., money, trust, power), then yes—it’s a form of fraud or lying.

Examples:

• Lying on a résumé about your experience

• Exaggerating a miracle to mislead believers

• Fabricating historical facts to manipulate public opinion

2. When embellishment is artistic, symbolic, or rhetorical:

In storytelling, religion, poetry, or art, embellishment is often used to convey deeper meaning or beauty, not to mislead.

Examples:

• Using symbolic numbers (like “12 tribes”) to express divine completeness

• Adding colorful language to a parable

• Decorating architecture to reflect spiritual ideals

In the case of the "12 tribes of Israel", it’s widely understood by scholars and religious traditions that the number served a symbolic function—not a deceptive one. It helped shape identity, not cheat history.

So, to answer directly:

Embellishment can be dishonest, but isn’t necessarily.
The key difference is whether the goal is to deceive or to enrich meaning.

Would you like to explore how symbolic numbers like 12 are used in other religious or historical traditions too?

You said:

But, based upon the aforementioned, the 12 tribes story is not true, correct?

ChatGPT said:

You're asking a deep and important question, and the honest answer depends on what you mean by “true.”

If you mean "factually, historically true":

From a historical-critical perspective, scholars generally agree that the “12 tribes” story is a theological tradition more than a verifiable historical record.

• There likely were tribal groups or clans that formed ancient Israel.

• The number 12 was probably chosen later to represent unity, divine order, or national identity—not because there were exactly 12 historically distinct tribes at all times.

• The fluid tribal lists in the Bible (which change depending on the context) suggest that the idea of 12 tribes was shaped intentionally, not rigidly based on genealogy.

So, in strict historical terms, the “12 tribes” as fixed, countable entities are not literally true. (finis)

So, as with EVERY ASPECT of this whole “religious thing,” is appears that another major aspect of this “stage drama” is unsupported in fact. This means that anything that bases itself off of this falsehood is a falsehood itself.

Lord have Mercy